Posts by The Rebel

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Not too my son...

by The Rebel in

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will i say " orlando, your hair is too long, and needs to be cut short" and never will i say " orlando, invites to birthday parties can't be accepted".

and i will buy my son books he wants to read, books that bring him happiness, and that he understands.

and by so doing, i hope he will acquire happy memories of his childhood, so that the sensitive and delicate, in him will be allowed to grow.

Nice to have some mothers commenting. Teaching children to think is a must " Rebelfighter". And I also think, the main reason kids can get beaten down by difficulties is that the mountains they feel they can't climb, can be little hills to overcome when a parent shows empathy and love to the child's viewpoint.

For example Orlando asked me to watch him play in the school football final, it was at lunch time and only 10 minutes each half. My first thought was I am very busy with more important commitments and besides parents are not expected to attend anyway. But I turned up as I new this was something of great importance to Orlando. When he saw me I realized how very important this was for him. I guess it was important because we play football together most days, and this was his first "cup" final.

If any bodies interested the team lost, but I didn't embarrass Orlando by calling the referee out for his crappy decisions.

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

The Rebel

Trying to keep this relevant to the O.P. .The amazing difference between being a footballer and a football supporter is huge. A successful footballer needs. personal attitude, confidence, a feeling of being wanted by the club and supporters. These are some of the unseen elements that can make or break a footballer. However I noted many great footballers still make lousy pundits, yet many lousy footballers become great managers.

So in my opinion provided we keep football hooligans, football supporters, & players who don't bother training from debating, the goalposts can stay in place for a great debate with some very knowledgable "football" comments. However it also needs to be remembered not many coaches train the opposing teams players, that's saved for" INTERNATIONAL" managers.

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Not too my son...

by The Rebel in

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will i say " orlando, your hair is too long, and needs to be cut short" and never will i say " orlando, invites to birthday parties can't be accepted".

and i will buy my son books he wants to read, books that bring him happiness, and that he understands.

and by so doing, i hope he will acquire happy memories of his childhood, so that the sensitive and delicate, in him will be allowed to grow.

The Rebel

will I say " Orlando, your hair is too long, and needs to be cut short" and never will I say " Orlando, invites to birthday parties can't be accepted". And I will buy my son books he wants to read, books that bring him happiness, and that he understands. And by so doing, i hope he will acquire happy memories of his childhood, so that the sensitive and delicate, in him will be allowed to grow.

Thie above is what I realise is my greatest victory having left the Watchtower. It is proof a fathers bad childhood, does not need to be handed down to his son. And the reason this parent believes, only outside the organisation has it been possible to show true feelings to his son, whilst Inside the organisation I believe my true feelings would have been locked away, because I knew they were rendered harmless by the organisation.

The above is just my experience of being a son and a father, I would value other posters opinions on benefits and negatives of being raised, or raising a child in or out the organisation.

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You Have Left Me

by compound complex in

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you have left me.. .

it may as well be the moon where you have taken up residence.. .

i gaze upon beauty supernal -- heaven's vault -- and imagine you there, on the moon, a speck upon the bright and glassy plate of a night sky.

The Rebel

Compound and complex " I feel a sadness so deep that friends wonder why both art and blinds remain undrawn"

The Rebel. Maybe it's because we live in a room with the blinds down and the lights on. Once or twise, perhaps , it is granted us to switch the lights off and open the blinds. Then for a moment the darkness outside becomes the brightness, and the blinds can be opened. Yet only occassionally in life do moments come when we can switch the light off and open the blinds....these are the moments the " SAD POET" can be found in " happiness"

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The lazy mans way to start a new O.P.

by The Rebel in

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hope you are understanding, if i shorten a reply i made on another thread and make it an o.p.. i honestly believe, we are all here as writers creating our small masterpieces.

i believe each of our posts brings light to the air of who we really are.

this forum is our form of artistic expression which we were denied in the organisation.

The Rebel

Thanks Millie. X

compound complex, why not change your Errol Flynn avetor? Believe me your personal values carry more rebellion against the existing order than even Errol Flynns portrayal as Captain Blood. So I think the recent photo of yourself that you posted on flippers O.P, used as an avetor would personalize your posts. When a person writes with intensity, and emotion, I believe those words,are not written in a persons image but in their likeness. Such an image of yourself, the "sad poet" would help readers understand the real you, and your projection of feelings and emotion.

p.s

just a suggestion :-)

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The lazy mans way to start a new O.P.

by The Rebel in

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hope you are understanding, if i shorten a reply i made on another thread and make it an o.p.. i honestly believe, we are all here as writers creating our small masterpieces.

i believe each of our posts brings light to the air of who we really are.

this forum is our form of artistic expression which we were denied in the organisation.

The Rebel

LoveUnHateExams " I believe that most of us posters don't write masterpieces"

The Rebel, But imagine this place is a maternity ward, and the nurse informs you that you now have a beautiful little child. You may feel embarrassed as a white father if the child is black, but it's still a masterpiece😩

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The lazy mans way to start a new O.P.

by The Rebel in

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hope you are understanding, if i shorten a reply i made on another thread and make it an o.p.. i honestly believe, we are all here as writers creating our small masterpieces.

i believe each of our posts brings light to the air of who we really are.

this forum is our form of artistic expression which we were denied in the organisation.

The Rebel

Iown Mylife " I enjoy getting to write without worrying about who might not approve of the content"

The Rebel. I went to a Polish wedding on Saturday, with each speech a snaps was drunk, ( Vodka) my wife got out of it because she was driving, as for myself I drunk my share with a few bottles of the grooms home made beer. Anyway my point was this was very different from a Jehovers Witness wedding, but it was a great wedding, and nobody was drunk except myself ( I am not used to vodka) and I learnt from it, why should I disapprove of a the " content" of other wonderful people's enjoyment. Once again It was a great wedding, and more importantly between two people who obviously loved each other.

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The lazy mans way to start a new O.P.

by The Rebel in

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hope you are understanding, if i shorten a reply i made on another thread and make it an o.p.. i honestly believe, we are all here as writers creating our small masterpieces.

i believe each of our posts brings light to the air of who we really are.

this forum is our form of artistic expression which we were denied in the organisation.

The Rebel

Hope you are understanding, if I shorten a reply i made on another thread and make it an O.P.

I honestly believe, we are all here as writers creating our small masterpieces. I believe each of our posts brings light to the air of who we really are. This forum is our form of artistic expression which we were denied in the organisation. I feel if watchtower survivors can be respecting of each other's moral, religious and scientific standpoint, then as a group we have achieved something that was impossible in an organisation where independent thinking was denied.

As for myself I appreciate being able to express the dominant emotions within me, and I now try to unite in harmony with each poster, even when our feelings and beliefs are contradictory to each other. By doing so I feel I have come along way. A very long way. I am sorry for all those posts in which I have failed in that objective.

How do you feel about the small masterpiece you are writing on this forum?

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Describe your witness self, then describe yourself now.

by The Rebel in

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my witness self :-very hollow, slightly lofty, characteristically judgemental, overwhelmingly convincing.. my non-witness self:- and in my imperfect way no longer taking the passive attitude to reality, and most importantly no longer feeling an outsider with my " true" friends..

The Rebel

How do I respond to the comments on this thread?

I honestly believe, we are all here as writers creating our small masterpieces . I believe each of our posts brings light to the air of who we really are. This forum is our form of artistic expression which we were denied in the organisation. So today I have read all your replys, and I feel if watchtower survivors, can be respecting of each other's moral, religious and scientific stand point, then as a group we have archived something that was impossible in an organisation where independent thinking was denied.

So I now try to unite in harmony with each poster, even when our feelings and beliefs are contradictory to each other. By doing so I feel I have come along way. A very long way. I am sorry for all those posts when I fail at this objective

Compound & Complex, your posts made me realize that despite my education (or luck of it) I can use words to express myself. That even if my grammar and spelling are poor, it doesn't have to effect expressing the dominant emotions within me. I can only thank you a thousand times for that.

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Describe your witness self, then describe yourself now.

by The Rebel in

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my witness self :-very hollow, slightly lofty, characteristically judgemental, overwhelmingly convincing.. my non-witness self:- and in my imperfect way no longer taking the passive attitude to reality, and most importantly no longer feeling an outsider with my " true" friends..

The Rebel

Toesup " now I know what is wrong ( I KNOW TTATT), I don't ask what is wrong anymore. I know.

The Rebel. Nobody who has seen The Cherry Orchand can forget when the characters make their last tour of the Kingdom Hall, they're leaving. " Goodbye, old home!" .So when we chop down all the Kingdom Halls, lets never let us chop down the Cherry Orchards that reside in them. However we are just luckily enough to see the Cherry Orchand differently. We are no longer under its influence, and I hope someday everyone leaves, and discovers TTATT.